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Dirk Action
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Posted - 2013.09.14 01:35:00 -
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PinkKnife wrote:
Just leave it as is, the QQ and crying over it are silly. It changes at most .05% of all player interactions, and anyone claiming its the end of the sandbox or that EVE is now WOW, or coddling of players doesn't understand the wording or is terribly afraid of change.
"Oh no, I can't pretend to be CCP D01an anymore", boo hoo, get over it. The wording is as such to catch all potential exploits, it has to be else people are going to weasel out of it by saying "but the character wasn't on MY account, it was my alt's account", and so on.
shut up and get out |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.14 01:37:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:I'm for whatever wording causes the most griefer tears. I can't help it, they are the best tears.
you also shut up and get out |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.14 01:40:00 -
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A repost of mine from the threadnaught:
"GMs need to stay out of legal scams altogether. "Legal scams" meaning ones done entirely through social manipulation, not through illegal, exploitative means such as account hacking.
This brand new policy is completely unprecedented and wrong. Period."
This obviously doesn't include things such as I or l, 0 or O, etc., but entirely through making the other guy bite your shiny carrot. |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.14 06:02:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:iii) I chat with a guy who says he is Mynnnas alt . . . I contact Mynnna to see if it is on the up and up (it isn't) BUT Mynnna thinks it would be hilarious to see me fall for a scam and tells me yes, that is an alt of his. Who gets banned, the false alt, Mynnna or both?
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Nobody, because since when has EVE been a game where you get banned for lying? |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.14 06:03:00 -
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oh... right..... "this policy isn't new" |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.14 06:13:00 -
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besides, imitation is the most flattering thing that could happen to someone
anyone who has ever had an alt made in their likeness should be very proud of themselves :3 |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.14 07:06:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:You may have missed the part where |Mynnna IS a member of a CCP organization, the CSM
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You never once mentioned that. I assumed we were taking the example as though it were in a vacuum, so to speak, where Mynnna would be an average player just like the rest of us. |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.14 15:17:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:If we're going along the 'official capacity' thing, I think it's OK to say "sure we can use The Mittani as a third party, he's leadership of the biggest coalition in the game"
But if you don't want people misrepresenting CSM in an official capacity, then saying "sure we can use The Mittani, he's part of the CSM so he's trustworthy" is not OK
You're suggesting that a) the CSM can't lie in game (misrepresenting the CCP volunteer organisation) and b) Mittani had specifically agreed as a CSM to the trade beforehand (misrepresenting a CSM, a CCP volunteer)
If the scammer had said that The Mittani had agreed to third-party a trade without mentioning Mittani was CSM, the scammer is misrepresenting 'The Mittani, EVE Player' not 'The Mittani, Chairman' which I think is perfectly fine in EVE
this is dumb, because it takes the choice The Mittani has in what he wants to do (does he want to scam them? does he want to be a legitimate third party?) away and puts it in the hands of the scammer, who may not even know what the rules are.
If he inadvertently mentions that The Mittani is on the CSM, well sh-ūt now if Mittens does anything BUT follow through on the legitimate third party option he would be punished. That isn't ok. |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.14 16:18:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:If the scammer was running the scam without asking Mittani first, and did not say the CSM lie, it's a legit scam despite misrepresentation of Mittani. If the scammer was running the scam without asking Mittani first, and did say the CSM lie, it's misrepresentation of CSM and an exploit. The Mittani is obviously innocent (even if he had accepted the money) unless he also says the CSM lie. The scammer is at fault and the money returned.
(e: or rather, the examples are legit scam/exploit in my opinion)
I think the only cases where The Mittani would have been at fault would be if The Mittani told the scammer the CSM lie, The Mittani instructed the scammer to use the CSM lie or if The Mittani repeated the CSM lie. As I said, though, that would turn into a case of The Mittani misrepresenting (?) the CSM which would be a different set of rules or punishments (I don't even know if it's against the rules) that aren't really related to the discussion
I still vehemently disagree with putting the CSM - who have no real power and just the ear of CCP - up on an elevated pedestal from the rest of us in the game, that, if by doing so, takes away from legitimate gameplay that would be available to them otherwise.
The CSM are paying players first and CCP voices of reason second, why should they not be allowed to do what every other player in the game can? And on the flipside, why shouldn't anyone else be able to lie about being a member of CSMX, *when the election results are easily verifiable by official posts by CCP which you would find with a quick Google search*?
What this boils down to is, again, an attempt to protect the stupid from their own stupidity. That is against the nature of EVE, and as such it cannot be an aspect of the Terms of Service. |

Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.14 16:20:00 -
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zen zubon wrote:Goon's leadership starts a renter program. People don't believe them because of recruitment scams. Goon's leadership want people to trust them so they want their members to stop recruitment scams. So CCP dose what they want overnight changing the EULA so it stops... yeah I'm done with this game...
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Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.14 17:36:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Dirk Action wrote:I still vehemently disagree with putting the CSM - who have no real power and just the ear of CCP - up on an elevated pedestal from the rest of us in the game, that, if by doing so, takes away from legitimate gameplay that would be available to them otherwise.
The CSM are paying players first and CCP voices of reason second, why should they not be allowed to do what every other player in the game can? And on the flipside, why shouldn't anyone else be able to lie about being a member of CSMX, *when the election results are easily verifiable by official posts by CCP which you would find with a quick Google search*?
What this boils down to is, again, an attempt to protect the stupid from their own stupidity. That is against the nature of EVE, and as such it cannot be an aspect of the Terms of Service. I don't want to take away from gameplay either. I think it's fine for a character on the CSM to scam or for players to misrepresent a character on the CSM as long as their position on the CSM isn't part of the scam or misrepresentation.The only reason for someone to lie about being on the CSM (whatever the CSM does) is to lie about being sanctioned by CCP. That should not be tolerated, ever.
Why shouldn't the CSM be allowed to bring up the fact that they're on the CSM in order to win a scam? If the exchange goes "I am on the CSM, you can trust me" then that's 100% fine in my mind.
If they said "I am on the CSM and if you give me everything you own I will pass a message on to CCP/do my best to push X Y or Z change," THEN there is a problem. |
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